did you take this picture...i am interested in the idea...i think that black and white can create very interesting textures...like cement, or chicken wire...or a sidewalk....and then some color splashed into it makes for a cool picture....like if there is incredible decorative detail in the grayscale background....then drawing the eye to the color object, then when you start to study the image you begin to notice that the beauty of the picture is in the background...like patterns...although i think you have to choose the color picture carefully...its going to be the initial draw of the picture...and in order for people to just look at the picture and be like "cool" then move on you have to match the main object with the background and create some kind of relation...my persnoal incliniation would be something hyper saturated...and small, and delicate...like a fabrege egg...but placed small....like a navel on a hot naked bun...but then you start to look at the skin, and see that is more interesting....like i think there is something erotic about an image where they is a main focus and then the beauty of the skin and the shadows are the things that make the picture great.
tim actually makes a pretty good point...like you know when you are listening to black metal and they are thrashing like a pack of bashees...then all of a sudden they bust into some hyper-melodic arpeggiated shit...where its like where the balls did that come from? i think it tends to occur more in gothenburg sound black metal, but its still pretty wicked...some unexpected shit...but i think that its difficult maybe to apply this to the photograph...because the point in the black metal example is that that shit pops out of nowhere and suprises you...in the photograph i think the central object is the thing you focus on first, then notice the black metal shit....which i guess is kind of what i was saying before. also...just for the record....black metal rules...go download "fuck the universe" by craft...then bang your head until you break yr neck.
wait....i might be confused...at first i thought the black metal thing was a joke...but mike...do you mean like black metal as in which which is to be wickedly thrased to? or do you mean metal material that is black? hello? mr silent man?
i meant i want to do a photography project on black metal MUSIC and the culture around it. most of the art based on it has been directly referencing the 1st/2nd wave norway shit, and i think im more interested (and logistically capable of) photographing the suburban american version of it. but i dont know THAt much about black metal and would like input on 1. crucial albums to download and 2. if anyone knows any bands personally, in the nyc/nj area.
But yes I am also doing a separate photo project where each image is basically one or two colors (like black & white), and this photo is an example of that.
well i dont really know that much about the expansion of the black metal scene in america...and i certainly dont know any bands....i think the best place to look for that would be like...forums and shit...for like goths...but i think you would benefit from studying the begginings of black metal...like mayhem, and emperor, burzum, count grishnak...check this book...i read it a while ago...half of it is about the founding of the black metal scene, the other half is about the influence on fans...although as i remember it...most in europe...see true black metal purists consider anything made outside of norway as not black metal...although that is really extreme because a lot of bands that really deeloped the music came from sweden...and even cradle of filth from england...but this book is pretty authentic and would help in getting a good feel for the spirit of black metal...a spirit which i think is pretty much dead in its true extreme measure. as for finding information on bands to download...the best thing would be to just cruise links on allmusic.com, starting with the early bands and working yr way up....the book
black metal + "suburban american" = contradiction of terms. ALTHOUGH American black metal FANS would serve as choice better subject matter. Black Metal fans are known for taking things pretty far - with corpse paint, pagan tattoos, perhaps a sword or the occasional battle axe - and can definitely be found in NJ.
Classic black metal albums:
BURZUM - All MAYHEM - De Mysteriiss dom Sathanas BATHORY - Under the sign: the sign of the black mark! MERCYFUL FATE - Don't break the oath EMPEROR - IX Equilibrium
I'd also recommend looking into Viking Metal and Gore-Grind sub genres for gnarly imagery. Google Image Search Mortiis.
tims got a good point...those are good blast off points for further exploration...one thing to study..which is covered in the book is the whole idea of grave desicration, church burning...and the occasional murder....as well as the suicide of "dead" the original singer...its pretty well documented by euronymous...who you can pretty much consider to be the founder of the black metal scene...and the band mayhem...who was later famously murdered by varg virkernes aka count grishnackh (LotR inspired) also known as burzum. i always think that if you are going to do a project on something you should really have a powerful understanding of the subject matter.
I think the reason why the american version would be almost more interesting is because its a rendition of the more hardcore norway scene. Its not only all the symbols and signifiers of the scene, but reproductions of them. Its like a fantasy within a fantasy (the initial black metal fantasy, PLUS the fantasy of being apart of the insane norway scene).
i agree with you...because for the most part the true black metal scene is history...in my mind true black metal was a few bands and a series of events/major ideas that faded out because of the extremity of them...but there is obiously a black metal scene that continues....i mean i think it would be interesting to look at the compromises that made it into a iable international scene...like the music exists and the scene continues, but but its like american hardcore...it started powerful and extreme, and then everything got out of hand, mostly due to the fact that it got popular and the actions of the fans who thought they were following the conditions of the original scene, which was based on the fact that they were a bunch of bands with a small following that was really extreme.....when the extremity became a lifestyle for a large number of new fans the scene sort of destryoed itself...not musically, but culturally....i think there are similarities there,
If you are interested in Merican metal, one of the most interesting stories is of Adam Gadahn, The Database's English language Rep and formet metal head. (If any of all yall don't know who is this dude, please at least read wikipedia article...) There were an interesting article about him in either the NYTimes Magazine or New Yorker. The great ting about it were that they closely analysed the music he was listening to and writing about, as well as what he was recording himself. They analysis weren't rude or media-poi. It was close-nice.
Oh, it's New Yorker... The link is on the bottom of the wikipage.
Wow, EFF, thanks for the tip on the new yorker article / adam gadahn on wiki. They actually compare his speaking voice to something out of 'Lord of the Rings', amazing. I just finished a chapter in the book I'm reading called 'Brainwash: the secret history of mind control' about the Judas Priest subliminal message trial. The book basically sides with the band, and says the trial was wacky, but it's still a really interesting story.
love the picture, have nothing to add, really. definitely dig the idea of the 2 color series. would be way into seeing some more unlikely color pairings.
oh, and mike, you need to talk to my roomate dennis. he lives and breaths metal. come over some time.
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did you take this picture...i am interested in the idea...i think that black and white can create very interesting textures...like cement, or chicken wire...or a sidewalk....and then some color splashed into it makes for a cool picture....like if there is incredible decorative detail in the grayscale background....then drawing the eye to the color object, then when you start to study the image you begin to notice that the beauty of the picture is in the background...like patterns...although i think you have to choose the color picture carefully...its going to be the initial draw of the picture...and in order for people to just look at the picture and be like "cool" then move on you have to match the main object with the background and create some kind of relation...my persnoal incliniation would be something hyper saturated...and small, and delicate...like a fabrege egg...but placed small....like a navel on a hot naked bun...but then you start to look at the skin, and see that is more interesting....like i think there is something erotic about an image where they is a main focus and then the beauty of the skin and the shadows are the things that make the picture great.
yeah theres somethin mystical about this photo, a glowing symmetry.
a color black + white project? try cloudy days + nyc rooftops or asphault or white sand beaches. or, clean rooms like that one in ID4
what kind of connections to black metal are you looking for?? I met Emperor at Tower Records once...
tim actually makes a pretty good point...like you know when you are listening to black metal and they are thrashing like a pack of bashees...then all of a sudden they bust into some hyper-melodic arpeggiated shit...where its like where the balls did that come from? i think it tends to occur more in gothenburg sound black metal, but its still pretty wicked...some unexpected shit...but i think that its difficult maybe to apply this to the photograph...because the point in the black metal example is that that shit pops out of nowhere and suprises you...in the photograph i think the central object is the thing you focus on first, then notice the black metal shit....which i guess is kind of what i was saying before.
also...just for the record....black metal rules...go download "fuck the universe" by craft...then bang your head until you break yr neck.
I'm out of my element with black metal, and I obviously need to listen to craft, but I dig this photo / concept.
wait....i might be confused...at first i thought the black metal thing was a joke...but mike...do you mean like black metal as in which which is to be wickedly thrased to? or do you mean metal material that is black?
hello? mr silent man?
hi
i meant i want to do a photography project on black metal MUSIC and the culture around it. most of the art based on it has been directly referencing the 1st/2nd wave norway shit, and i think im more interested (and logistically capable of) photographing the suburban american version of it. but i dont know THAt much about black metal and would like input on 1. crucial albums to download and 2. if anyone knows any bands personally, in the nyc/nj area.
But yes I am also doing a separate photo project where each image is basically one or two colors (like black & white), and this photo is an example of that.
And by download I meant "legally purchase"
well i dont really know that much about the expansion of the black metal scene in america...and i certainly dont know any bands....i think the best place to look for that would be like...forums and shit...for like goths...but i think you would benefit from studying the begginings of black metal...like mayhem, and emperor, burzum, count grishnak...check this book...i read it a while ago...half of it is about the founding of the black metal scene, the other half is about the influence on fans...although as i remember it...most in europe...see true black metal purists consider anything made outside of norway as not black metal...although that is really extreme because a lot of bands that really deeloped the music came from sweden...and even cradle of filth from england...but this book is pretty authentic and would help in getting a good feel for the spirit of black metal...a spirit which i think is pretty much dead in its true extreme measure. as for finding information on bands to download...the best thing would be to just cruise links on allmusic.com, starting with the early bands and working yr way up....the book
Lords of Chaos
black metal + "suburban american" = contradiction of terms. ALTHOUGH American black metal FANS would serve as choice better subject matter. Black Metal fans are known for taking things pretty far - with corpse paint, pagan tattoos, perhaps a sword or the occasional battle axe - and can definitely be found in NJ.
Classic black metal albums:
BURZUM - All
MAYHEM - De Mysteriiss dom Sathanas
BATHORY - Under the sign: the sign of the black mark!
MERCYFUL FATE - Don't break the oath
EMPEROR - IX Equilibrium
I'd also recommend looking into Viking Metal and Gore-Grind sub genres for gnarly imagery. Google Image Search Mortiis.
tims got a good point...those are good blast off points for further exploration...one thing to study..which is covered in the book is the whole idea of grave desicration, church burning...and the occasional murder....as well as the suicide of "dead" the original singer...its pretty well documented by euronymous...who you can pretty much consider to be the founder of the black metal scene...and the band mayhem...who was later famously murdered by varg virkernes aka count grishnackh (LotR inspired) also known as burzum. i always think that if you are going to do a project on something you should really have a powerful understanding of the subject matter.
I think the reason why the american version would be almost more interesting is because its a rendition of the more hardcore norway scene. Its not only all the symbols and signifiers of the scene, but reproductions of them. Its like a fantasy within a fantasy (the initial black metal fantasy, PLUS the fantasy of being apart of the insane norway scene).
also i cant go to norway.
i agree with you...because for the most part the true black metal scene is history...in my mind true black metal was a few bands and a series of events/major ideas that faded out because of the extremity of them...but there is obiously a black metal scene that continues....i mean i think it would be interesting to look at the compromises that made it into a iable international scene...like the music exists and the scene continues, but but its like american hardcore...it started powerful and extreme, and then everything got out of hand, mostly due to the fact that it got popular and the actions of the fans who thought they were following the conditions of the original scene, which was based on the fact that they were a bunch of bands with a small following that was really extreme.....when the extremity became a lifestyle for a large number of new fans the scene sort of destryoed itself...not musically, but culturally....i think there are similarities there,
If you are interested in Merican metal, one of the most interesting stories is of Adam Gadahn, The Database's English language Rep and formet metal head. (If any of all yall don't know who is this dude, please at least read wikipedia article...) There were an interesting article about him in either the NYTimes Magazine or New Yorker. The great ting about it were that they closely analysed the music he was listening to and writing about, as well as what he was recording himself. They analysis weren't rude or media-poi. It was close-nice.
Oh, it's New Yorker... The link is on the bottom of the wikipage.
Wow, EFF, thanks for the tip on the new yorker article / adam gadahn on wiki. They actually compare his speaking voice to something out of 'Lord of the Rings', amazing. I just finished a chapter in the book I'm reading called 'Brainwash: the secret history of mind control' about the Judas Priest subliminal message trial. The book basically sides with the band, and says the trial was wacky, but it's still a really interesting story.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5636910946432086857
Umm, just to warn you guys, the video contains some really gnarly stuff.
love the picture, have nothing to add, really. definitely dig the idea of the 2 color series. would be way into seeing some more unlikely color pairings.
oh, and mike, you need to talk to my roomate dennis. he lives and breaths metal. come over some time.
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